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		<title>By: national automobile dealers association &#124; Bookmarks URL</title>
		<link>http://arbitrationhorrorstories.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/suckers-wanted-how-car-dealers-and-other-businesses-are-taking-away-your-right-to-sue/#comment-91</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] term lease,” Sternal said. In 2006, about 28% of new car sales were leases, according to the National Automobile Dealers Association, in McLean, Va. But, while a lease transfer may sound appealing, consumers on both sides of the deal have homework to do. For instance, those trying to get out &#8230;  Suckers Wanted: How Car Dealers and Other Businesses are Taking Away &#8230; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] term lease,” Sternal said. In 2006, about 28% of new car sales were leases, according to the National Automobile Dealers Association, in McLean, Va. But, while a lease transfer may sound appealing, consumers on both sides of the deal have homework to do. For instance, those trying to get out &#8230;  Suckers Wanted: How Car Dealers and Other Businesses are Taking Away &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ran across this site today, that may be helpful on this very topic: http://www.dontgettakeneverytime.com/arbitration_faq.htm  Mandatory Binding Arbitration FAQ&#039;s as it applies to car dealers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ran across this site today, that may be helpful on this very topic: <a href="http://www.dontgettakeneverytime.com/arbitration_faq.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dontgettakeneverytime.com/arbitration_faq.htm</a>  Mandatory Binding Arbitration FAQ&#8217;s as it applies to car dealers.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
		<link>http://arbitrationhorrorstories.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/suckers-wanted-how-car-dealers-and-other-businesses-are-taking-away-your-right-to-sue/#comment-88</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When my husband and I bought a new car this year we refused to agree to a couple of clauses in the dealer&#039;s contract, one being the arbitration clause.  We were prepared to walk.  We ended up buying a car, on our terms.  I suspect the key is being in a market that favors negotiating with customers, AND being prepared to walk. Before we learned about arbitration&#039;s dark side, I doubt we&#039;d have known to avoid it.

Of course, the arbitration provision in the state&#039;s Automobile Lemon Law, and/or the car manufacturer&#039;s warranty that may have an arbitration clause, are non-negotiable.  In our state the Lemon Law requires NON-binding arbitration.  In some states they can force you into binding mandatory arbitration with a biased arbitrator as happens in credit card and home warranty disputes, etc.  Google your state and &quot;Lemon Law&quot; to find out how it works in yours.  And demand to see the warranty book for the car before you sign papers.  You can&#039;t negotiate the state law or the manufacturer&#039;s warranty but knowing what they are is a factor in your decision.  

We too would&#039;ve fixed up the old car rather than enter the trap of binding mandatory arbitration with an arbitration firm chosen by the other side!

BTW, a couple other things we refused in the car purchase, that we have never encountered in past purchases, and that I believe should be avoided:  One is the dealer wants you to sign over title to your trade in before the deal is made so they can theoretically take ownership of it before you&#039;ve actually agreed to buy a new car.  The second is a clause that says if they get less than they thought they would for your trade in when they sell it, they can come back after the deal is done and get more money from you.  We refused both of these but ended up not doing a trade in anyway.  We kept our old car and will sell it privately if and when we choose to...dealing w/the dealer&#039;s tactics was just too slimey and we wondered what else they&#039;d pull.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my husband and I bought a new car this year we refused to agree to a couple of clauses in the dealer&#8217;s contract, one being the arbitration clause.  We were prepared to walk.  We ended up buying a car, on our terms.  I suspect the key is being in a market that favors negotiating with customers, AND being prepared to walk. Before we learned about arbitration&#8217;s dark side, I doubt we&#8217;d have known to avoid it.</p>
<p>Of course, the arbitration provision in the state&#8217;s Automobile Lemon Law, and/or the car manufacturer&#8217;s warranty that may have an arbitration clause, are non-negotiable.  In our state the Lemon Law requires NON-binding arbitration.  In some states they can force you into binding mandatory arbitration with a biased arbitrator as happens in credit card and home warranty disputes, etc.  Google your state and &#8220;Lemon Law&#8221; to find out how it works in yours.  And demand to see the warranty book for the car before you sign papers.  You can&#8217;t negotiate the state law or the manufacturer&#8217;s warranty but knowing what they are is a factor in your decision.  </p>
<p>We too would&#8217;ve fixed up the old car rather than enter the trap of binding mandatory arbitration with an arbitration firm chosen by the other side!</p>
<p>BTW, a couple other things we refused in the car purchase, that we have never encountered in past purchases, and that I believe should be avoided:  One is the dealer wants you to sign over title to your trade in before the deal is made so they can theoretically take ownership of it before you&#8217;ve actually agreed to buy a new car.  The second is a clause that says if they get less than they thought they would for your trade in when they sell it, they can come back after the deal is done and get more money from you.  We refused both of these but ended up not doing a trade in anyway.  We kept our old car and will sell it privately if and when we choose to&#8230;dealing w/the dealer&#8217;s tactics was just too slimey and we wondered what else they&#8217;d pull.</p>
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		<title>By: classic car for sale &#124; Bookmarks URL</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Suckers Wanted: How Car Dealers and Other Businesses are Taking &#8230; The perils of buying a used car have been well documented, and the industry sleaze is so ubiquitous that it’s inspired a handful of Hollywood movies (see the classic 1980 flick Used Cars, starring Kurt Russell) and a genre of jokes &#8230; [...]]]></description>
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